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Your Chicago Mortgage Guy: Hello, this is Joe.
Jim The Borrower: Hi Joe. Good News, we got the property!
YCMG: That's great, congratulations, now it's time to start talking mortgage rates. What price did you agree to and when is your closing date?
JTB: We agreed to $375,000.00 and a closing date of May 31st. After our last conversation, Jill and I decided to go with the 30 Year Fixed option at 20% down.
YCMG: Perfect. At 20% down, you guy's will avoid Mortgage Insurance. Our 30 Year Fixed today is at 5.00%.
JTB: That sounds about right. We've been looking around and everyone seems to be quoting either 5.00% or 5.125%. What's confusing though, are closing costs. What are your costs?
YCMG: Our standard bank fees here total $1295.00. That's for Origination, Appraisal, Application, Credit and Flood Certs. Today though, I can pick up all of those fees. In fact, I can give you a credit totaling $1500 at a rate of 5.00% today.
JTB: Wow, that's the biggest credit we've been offered so far. What I don't understand though is, why does everyone want to pay my fees?
YCMG: Well, according to the new Dodd-Frank legislation, I cannot make any overage on an interest rate any more. So, to stay competitive I am crediting it back to my borrowers. That's good news for you.
JTB: Yeah, that is great! What are the chances of getting to 4.875%?
YCMG: Good question, we are really close to that today. In fact, we are only off by .05%. If you wanted to pay that as an origination fee, I could get you to 4.875%. That's only $150.00.
JTB: What, seriously? Could I still get the credit?
YCMG: No, if you pay an origination fee, I can't give you an closing cost credit.
JTB: So, it's not $150, it's actually $1650?
YCMG: Yes, I guess that's true.
JTB: And, you probably make less money at 4.875% then as well?
YCMG: No, my employer has to pay me the same, regardless of rate. But, 4.875% is below my 1.00% threshold. That's why I have to chare you the .05% to get to the 1.00% threshold on my rate sheet.
JTB: So where did the credit come from at 5.00%?
YCMG: 5.00% was at 1.5%, so I was giving you the extra .50% back as a credit.
JTB: This is getting confusing. What would you have been quoting me before this new legislation went into effect?
YCMG: Well, seeing as you were shopping rates, I likely would have been quoting you the 4.875%.
JTB: Would I have been paying the extra $150?
YCMG: No. But, that depends on what my competitors would have been offering. It's even possible I would have given you a credit.
JTB: At 4.875%?
YCMG: Yes.
JTB: I thought this legislation was for the consumer? I thought it prevented you from steering me into a higher rate to make more premium?
YCMG: It does, but it also sets a floor because my employer can't pay me less money just because I want to be competitive.
JTB: I don't understand.
YCMG: It gets even better. While you might get a $1500 credit at the higher rate, that will cost you another $6700 over the life of your 30 Year Fixed.
JTB: Who get's that?
YCMG: Fannie Mae and your servicer.
JTB: Wait, I thought this legislation was supposed to protect the consumer from the banking industry?
YCMG: Me too.